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Location of Garden of Eden | Mesopotamia (Iraq)
PURPOSE: Helping Christians engage in intelligent conversations with doubters and unbelievers

What happened in the Garden of Eden?

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Here's where we combine the six Insights to get an informed biblical answer

The Garden of Eden was a real place at a real time

Most people treat the biblical story of the Garden of Eden like a fairy tale. They're not sure if it really happened at all. Or when. Or where. Or why.

To most, it's something that's said to have happened way back in time, when the world was first created ... when God made Adam and Eve in some paradise on earth where everything was perfect until a talking snake lured them into eating a forbidden apple ... and that somehow wrecked everything in the world, and we're all guilty and going to hell because of it.

It's very murky and incredible to most people, even Christians.

The purpose of this Bible study is to dispel some of the fiction and mystery woven into the story and equip Christians for informed conversation about it with others, especially with scoffing doubters and unbelievers.

The setting for the Garden of Eden story is in ancient Mesopotamia (present-day Iraq), the Cradle of Civilization, about 6,000 years ago.

This is not 'long-long-time-ago, far-far-away' mythology or depictions from cave drawings by Neanderthals. This is relatively recent history, written in the well-understood Hebrew language about an area of the world with a rich history we can see and study today.

We know the approximate place (Mesopotamia) from the Bible description in Genesis 1:8-14.

Map showing location of Garden of Eden

We know the approximate time (BC 4000 to BC 8000) from Bible genealogies. See the Bible study on people before Adam. As best we can tell from history and archaeology, there were about seven million people on earth at that time.

World population at time of Adam and Eve

This is not 'long-long-time-ago, far-far-away' mythology or interpretations of cave drawings by Neanderthals. This is relatively recent history, in well-written Hebrew language regarding an area of the world with rich history we can study.

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Thinkers Bible Studies / Topic 1.1

GOD'S CREATION

Was the BIG BANG God's method?

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Insight 1: Bible credibility
INSIGHT 1

Tradition and folklore have twisted what the Bible actually says

The Garden of Eden is like a fairy tale to most people, even to Christians, and most don't know that the Bible tells us its time, place, and exactly what happened. Tradition and folklore have added so much to the biblical story that it now almost incomprehensible to doubters and unbelievers. Major theological doctrines have grown out of the story for Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
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Insight 2: yō·wm is Hebrew word for Bible creation day
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Adam and Eve may not have been the first humans

TOPIC 1.3 (People before Adam) lists many clues from the Bible that there were people on earth before God placed Adam in the Garden of Eden. Adam was the first sinner, but probably not the first human. Bible credibility is at stake here because archaeology, scientific testing, and DNA analysis show clearly that there was human activity on earth before BC 4000. See the evidence from both Bible and science.
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Insight 3: What God created in each 'day'
INSIGHT 3

The earth was not a perfect paradise before Adam sinned

See all the Bible verses that tell us that God didn't create the earth as a perfect paradise (from our perspective). The earth as we find it is the way God wanted it. Adam didn't ruin it. Jesus never even mentioned Adam's name. Growth and multiplication without death is no paradise. Death is essential not only for food but also for preventing overcrowding and suffocation, and for clearing the way for new life.
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The Bible doesn't say that Adam's sin is the cause of all death

TOPIC 1.3.2 (Sin not cause of death) shows that the idea that all death is the result of Adam's sin comes from church tradition, not from any direct statement in the Bible. See the two verses in scripture which have been stretched and twisted to support the idea that the earth and everything in it was once immortal.
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INSIGHT 5

The doctrine of original sin is grossly unjust and biblically challenged

TOPIC 1.4.3 (Original sin) shows that the idea that everyone is born guilty for Adam's sin comes from church tradition, not from any direct statement in the Bible. See the four verses in scripture which have been stretched and twisted to support this monstrous idea, and see the harm it has done in driving people away from God. Also, see an in-depth study of Romans 5 and I Corinthians 15.
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INSIGHT 6

The Bible says that in hell the fire burns FOREVER but not the people

TOPIC 3.4.1 (Will people burn in hell forever?) lists all 29 verses on topic from the Bible, quoted in full, showing that hell fire is forever but that people will eventually die in the fire. In Jesus words: burned up, destroyed, consumed, perish. People go to hell because of their own unforgiven sin, not because of Adam's sin. God's punishment is with justice, not with crazed vengence.
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Here's where we combine the six Insights to get an informed biblical answer: What happened in the Garden of Eden?

The Insights here are like pieces of a puzzle. Put the pieces together and see the big picture! Now you'll be prepared to engage intelligently and coherently with anyone about what the Bible says about any major aspect of the Garden of Eden story. Also see reader comments.
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Came across this site and it's fantastic and so relevant.
I do not believe in a Supreme Being who created us in his image and likeness as quoted in the bible
Nice to read a legitimate attempt to harmonize the traditions of the Bible with scientific discoveries.
Just another Satanic attempt to change God's WORD. More likely made up of Liberal Kids that don't know any better.
I have read all with an open mind. I heard bits and pieces of theory but never this much evidence.
I am excited to have found this site when I was seeking the truth about Bible timelines. I have been forced to justify my beliefs by a pastor who has a very fundamental belief in God's seven days of creation.
I am eagerly awaiting more topics.
I found this to be extremely informative. I'd always had doubts about the "original sin" and being punished for my ancestors sins, but this explained why "original sin" doesn't really exist in a way that resonated with me. Thank you. I will definitely check this site more often.
Yes there were people before Adam, the cave Men and the ice Age.
Does the bible really say humans will burn forever in hell or is it really more like thrown in the fire and destroyed? Ps I already know the answer!
Fully embrace this information. By the Spirit I have been convinced before reading this. Any serious thinker who is honest and observant will become agnostic in trying to remain with the ultra conservative ideas of literal six day creation. What a beautiful creation was being made by a glorious intelligent designer!
Very interesting. Verification of my own thoughts.
Pure sophistry for the purpose of setting aside the claims of God upon us.
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Thank you for the article! There are several nonbelievers in my life that I love deeply. My heart breaks for them. Every time I share my faith, I'm bombarded with science. Perhaps this will help. Thank you. God bless you.
Adam was the first man created to have a living soul.
I am a Christian, and I have always been a “young earth” proponent. My son, also a Christian, is an “old earth” proponent, and we have debated this topic. After reading the content of this website thoroughly, I am willing to reconsider my position.
This is utter nonsense in my opinion
Excellent points here.
The big bang is a theory. God is a fact.
All present dating methods are based on assumptions that cannot be proven. The methods do not meet scientific requirements of being observable, repeatable, and testable. They can reliable determine chemical compositions, but they CANNOT reliably give age..
2nd law of thermodynamics disproves big bang & evolution.
I am looking forward to reading through the rest of the Thinkers website. Thanks for investing in this work. It’s so important! Especially in these times. 
As much nonsense and stupidity as I have heard since big bang or evolution.
I hope this excellent presentation penetrates the evangelical church where sadly a majority of Christians believe that the Big Bang is an atheistic concept rather the Fingerprint of God that it is!
praying Gods direction, provision, and anointing on this site and everyone, like me, blessed enough to have been led to it .
God created everything that was created in six literal days.
Proof of the absurdity of ALL religions, thanks.
Thank you for the Bible verses about hell. This is a very difficult subject that many people that believe in Christ have adopted as truth. I have yet to understand why.
Since your website is new and still in the making, it leaves me excited yet hungry for more understanding. Thank you so much for putting your website together to help those of us asking questions about traditional lines of thinking. I look forward to reading more!
I appreciate your efforts at presenting the Bible as an accurate portrayal of what science has found to be true.
this page can go to hell the bible is the truth idiots science is what a man created not GOD!
Mainstream science is wrong about almost everything.
This makes me better understand that you need to "dig deeper" in Bible study.
Not sure what to think of this bible study. If nothing else it compels you to really dig deep and think,read and pray for understanding which I think is a good thing.
The information that I read was very informative.
By observing ruins etc firsthand, my personal opinion is that man existed before Adam. Adam was the first God breathed His Spirit into.
Great work! Keep up the war against the ignorant churchians, and supporting Christian enlightenment!
This is great. God has shown this to me some time ago, but you are the first that has ever confirmed it. God is good.
Not only do I thoroughly enjoy the topics you discuss but also the motivation behind their writing.
Your are wrong
Don't know, don't need to know. It'll all be revealed by & by.
I like your site. Good to see others believe as I do.
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This is great stuff!!
This is great, I am going to read more of your topics!
I absolutly loved this! My daughter is a high school science teacher, and we are both christians. We had our own ideas of what scriptures say, and what actual physical science says. This brought ALOT to light! Thank you.
Love the study
I am in to deep thinking concerning the Bible, while holding on to Biblical fact. Being open to possibilities where things are vague is food for the soul, yet being careful of being deceived into false teaching.
Very good
I was just told about your website and it's so fascinating.
Wrong all wrong
Dumbest thing I've ever read!
I recently discovered your bible studies website and I just want to thank you for your initiative in establishing this study resource.
Thanks, This is what I needed. I can't get enough of this marvelous study.
Very interesting to read.
You should just go away. You are preaching heresy.
Thank you for this most interesting discussion of genealogy re: the timing of the first man as relates to both the Bible as well as archaeology!!!
I really enjoy your website. I find your arguments compelling.
Thank you for your wonderful website. I have linked to it from my own. I'm looking forward to your expanding list of subjects.
Will this material be made available in print form for purchase?
This is a great Bible study, it explains everything perfectly so there is no confusion anywhere, it just helps understanding the Bible and God's word so well.
Thank you for your good work.
I appreciate your thorough investigation into the Word of God.
About time!
Thank you for a good read on this subject: the indisputable existence of humanoids and civilizations before Adam.
Unbelievable. Was man there at the beginning to make this determination. No. The human race is so arrogant and ignorant.
This is from the devil. The Bible says Satan is a liar and the creater of it. This is a lie created by Satan to deceive people. Adam was the first man and the first sinner. His sin is what started death.
Please pray for me as I ponder the input you've provided online.
Great read very needed in this current time thank you
Beautifully done and very reasonable. I’ve been struggling with the contradictions in the Bible and science for years. I believe that there is a God but I wasn’t always sure if the Bible Was Gods word or man made. Thank you! Makes so much sense!
I find your explanation very compelling and appreciate that we do need to answer questions of unbelievers, there needs to be effort in this direction. So I thank you for your efforts
Scientists lie to us. They lie about the age of the earth.
Thank you. You have clarified how to teach what I have always believed. I didn’t know how to explain it to others.
The problem with "science" today that too much of it is based on theory and not enough observation.
I am 75 years old. I was raised as a Roman Catholic. I have studied religions all of my life. I have so many problems with the Bible starting with Genesis. I agree with your assessment that Adam wasn't the first human on earth. The more that I learn, the less I believe in the bible and religion as a salvation. But I shall continue researching.
Brilliant
What a great and informative article! This information is invaluable when discussing biblical concepts with others, both Christian and non-Christian.
Wish I could remember all this.
Thanks you so much for your willingness to put your website together to help those of us asking questions about traditional lines of thinking. I look forward to reading more!
Are these lessons available in printed form that can be purchased or that can be downloaded on line in a condensed version?
I want more information and I want bible study
Great Information. I've been teaching these studies for some time to hopefully help Christians have a true biblical world view and not just a churchy world view. Glad yall out there.
Just came across your website, want to commend you on believing the Bible can and should be read as the Truth. I have always believed that if I cannot make sense out of the scriptures, it is my deficiently not the Bibles. God Bless.
Adam was the first person on this earth bottom line
Thank you for letting me know. Opened up my mind.
Yea
Amen Amen Amen!!!
I have believed for many years what you have written here, but who among my friends and fellow-Christians will believe me? I stand alone. It took almost two hundred years before the church—or church members—believed that the earth was not the center of the universe. Will it take that long before Christians will believe that Adam and Eve were not the first humans created?
Yes, I agree there is a lot of evidence to substantiate what you say. I have often thought about this myself. Thank you for all the research you have done.
Great job! Fantastic resource for believers not only to be able to speak intelligently in a time of waning faith, but for our own education and edification as well!
Fascinating and deightfully clear!
Very insightful
This is the best information a believer can get. Where can I donate. Big Bang is consistent to the Bible, great news. Let’s ge smart about religion. Saying the Bible is wrong has helped millions become non believers. This news can reinforce the beliefs in those who strive to believe but need a more firm and also scientific reasoning for the existence of a God. Great web site!
Humans were around a lot longer the 4000 bc. Thats not even as old as Sumer the first proven civilization. Evidence strongly supports that civilization may have existed long before Sumer.
I will read this in its entirety. What I've read so far is right on according to my extensive studies over 27 years.
Bullshit. Just utter bullshit.
Do you offer a textbook?
Right!
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