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Location of Garden of Eden | Mesopotamia (Iraq)
PURPOSE: Helping Christians engage in intelligent conversations with doubters and unbelievers

What happened in the Garden of Eden?

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Here's where we combine the six Insights to get an informed biblical answer

The Garden of Eden was a real place at a real time

Most people treat the biblical story of the Garden of Eden like a fairy tale. They're not sure if it really happened at all. Or when. Or where. Or why.

To most, it's something that's said to have happened way back in time, when the world was first created ... when God made Adam and Eve in some paradise on earth where everything was perfect until a talking snake lured them into eating a forbidden apple ... and that somehow wrecked everything in the world, and we're all guilty and going to hell because of it.

It's very murky and incredible to most people, even Christians.

The purpose of this Bible study is to dispel some of the fiction and mystery woven into the story and equip Christians for informed conversation about it with others, especially with scoffing doubters and unbelievers.

The setting for the Garden of Eden story is in ancient Mesopotamia (present-day Iraq), the Cradle of Civilization, about 6,000 years ago.

This is not 'long-long-time-ago, far-far-away' mythology or depictions from cave drawings by Neanderthals. This is relatively recent history, written in the well-understood Hebrew language about an area of the world with a rich history we can see and study today.

We know the approximate place (Mesopotamia) from the Bible description in Genesis 1:8-14.

Map showing location of Garden of Eden

We know the approximate time (BC 4000 to BC 8000) from Bible genealogies. See the Bible study on people before Adam. As best we can tell from history and archaeology, there were about seven million people on earth at that time.

World population at time of Adam and Eve

This is not 'long-long-time-ago, far-far-away' mythology or interpretations of cave drawings by Neanderthals. This is relatively recent history, in well-written Hebrew language regarding an area of the world with rich history we can study.

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Thinkers Bible Studies / Topic 1.1

GOD'S CREATION

Was the BIG BANG God's method?

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Insight 1: Bible credibility
INSIGHT 1

Tradition and folklore have twisted what the Bible actually says

The Garden of Eden is like a fairy tale to most people, even to Christians, and most don't know that the Bible tells us its time, place, and exactly what happened. Tradition and folklore have added so much to the biblical story that it now almost incomprehensible to doubters and unbelievers. Major theological doctrines have grown out of the story for Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
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Insight 2: yō·wm is Hebrew word for Bible creation day
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Adam and Eve may not have been the first humans

TOPIC 1.3 (People before Adam) lists many clues from the Bible that there were people on earth before God placed Adam in the Garden of Eden. Adam was the first sinner, but probably not the first human. Bible credibility is at stake here because archaeology, scientific testing, and DNA analysis show clearly that there was human activity on earth before BC 4000. See the evidence from both Bible and science.
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Insight 3: What God created in each 'day'
INSIGHT 3

The earth was not a perfect paradise before Adam sinned

See all the Bible verses that tell us that God didn't create the earth as a perfect paradise (from our perspective). The earth as we find it is the way God wanted it. Adam didn't ruin it. Jesus never even mentioned Adam's name. Growth and multiplication without death is no paradise. Death is essential not only for food but also for preventing overcrowding and suffocation, and for clearing the way for new life.
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The Bible doesn't say that Adam's sin is the cause of all death

TOPIC 1.3.2 (Sin not cause of death) shows that the idea that all death is the result of Adam's sin comes from church tradition, not from any direct statement in the Bible. See the two verses in scripture which have been stretched and twisted to support the idea that the earth and everything in it was once immortal.
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INSIGHT 5

The doctrine of original sin is grossly unjust and biblically challenged

TOPIC 1.4.3 (Original sin) shows that the idea that everyone is born guilty for Adam's sin comes from church tradition, not from any direct statement in the Bible. See the four verses in scripture which have been stretched and twisted to support this monstrous idea, and see the harm it has done in driving people away from God. Also, see an in-depth study of Romans 5 and I Corinthians 15.
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INSIGHT 6

The Bible says that in hell the fire burns FOREVER but not the people

TOPIC 3.4.1 (Will people burn in hell forever?) lists all 29 verses on topic from the Bible, quoted in full, showing that hell fire is forever but that people will eventually die in the fire. In Jesus words: burned up, destroyed, consumed, perish. People go to hell because of their own unforgiven sin, not because of Adam's sin. God's punishment is with justice, not with crazed vengence.
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Here's where we combine the six Insights to get an informed biblical answer: What happened in the Garden of Eden?

The Insights here are like pieces of a puzzle. Put the pieces together and see the big picture! Now you'll be prepared to engage intelligently and coherently with anyone about what the Bible says about any major aspect of the Garden of Eden story. Also see reader comments.
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An extremely good read.Would like very much to hear more.
Amazing! I have been studying this subject and drafting a book for about 5 years. I discovered your web site today. In those 5 years, I have come to many of the same concepts as you. Good job folks.
Adam was the first person on this earth bottom line
I really liked what is written and honestly agree with the reasoning. May the Almighty broaden my mind to perceive and digest these facts.
Very interesting. Verification of my own thoughts.
Thank you. I have visited this site before.
This is heresy. I hope you repent and trust the Scriptures.
I am in to deep thinking concerning the Bible, while holding on to Biblical fact. Being open to possibilities where things are vague is food for the soul, yet being careful of being deceived into false teaching.
All bad things on the face of the earth are connected to sin , by one mans sin we were all condemned.
FInally someone uses their brain instead of emotions to explain what I have thought and tried to say for sooo long. Thank you!
This is fascinating! I stumbled across this site and have been questioning what I was taught. This is an answer to prayer!
You have developed material that is vitally needed for reaching the newer generations.
Thank you. You have clarified how to teach what I have always believed. I didn’t know how to explain it to others.
Very,very informative! Thank you
I’m learning so much. Thank you.
This sounds interesting.
Of course. If Adam and Eve were the only humans and had children, who did the children copulate with? If it was each other, then everyone would have mental defects. The Adam & Eve story is just the beginning of the Old Testament.
Thank you so much for confirming what I had always thought!!! Our Father makes wonderous wonders!!!
I wish to save this
Brilliant
I appreciate your efforts at presenting the Bible as an accurate portrayal of what science has found to be true.
Blessings to you!!
I am 75 years old. I was raised as a Roman Catholic. I have studied religions all of my life. I have so many problems with the Bible starting with Genesis. I agree with your assessment that Adam wasn't the first human on earth. The more that I learn, the less I believe in the bible and religion as a salvation. But I shall continue researching.
Very interesting, food for thought. I have often wondered about this and have had many questions Thanks
Would like to keep you on my site for further study. You made me think.
Excellent
I don't think I believe this
I have struggled with references to people before Adam, and coordinating it with science. This makes sense to me. Thank you for helping me with my dilemma.
Your site is full of heresy. Repent.
Since your website is new and still in the making, it leaves me excited yet hungry for more understanding.
I want to learn it all.
I appreciate this study.
Fully embrace this information. By the Spirit I have been convinced before reading this. Any serious thinker who is honest and observant will become agnostic in trying to remain with the ultra conservative ideas of literal six day creation. What a beautiful creation was being made by a glorious intelligent designer!
Some scientists are open to intelligent design, the problem is some scientists think they are trying to bring church into the classroom.If some scientists find out that some believe in intelligent design they will lose funding.
I like it! I always wondered about the dinosaurs, and whether other people lived before Adam. You see, the Bible says that Cain was worried about being slain by other people. So, what does that tell you? It's more to the Bible than some clergymen are letting on.
Great job! Fantastic resource for believers not only to be able to speak intelligently in a time of waning faith, but for our own education and edification as well!
This is wonderful. Would like to read more.
Yea
This is great. God has shown this to me some time ago, but you are the first that has ever confirmed it. God is good.
You are very much on the right track.
What you have said makes so much sense to me. I would love to read more of what you think.
Thank you for helping to break down these scriptures, I found out now a lot of what I thought I knew was actually just tradition, most of which was confusing up until now, very grateful.
Thanks, This is what I needed. I can't get enough of this marvelous study.
God bless.
This is awesome, very detailed information and totally makes sense, thanks for sharing!
I found this to be extremely informative. I'd always had doubts about the "original sin" and being punished for my ancestors sins, but this explained why "original sin" doesn't really exist in a way that resonated with me. Thank you. I will definitely check this site more often.
Very interesting please keep me posted
Adam was perfect because it doesn’t say anywhere in the Bible that he had body aches and gray .
Fascinating and deightfully clear!
Loved it. Been saying it for years but nobody listened.
This site is a literal God send! I've been struggling with reconciliation of what scripture says and what I've been taught through various denominations and their individual traditions. I'm so grateful, honestly, to have permission to think critically and to allow the Holy Spirit to teach me directly.
This is from the devil. The Bible says Satan is a liar and the creater of it. This is a lie created by Satan to deceive people. Adam was the first man and the first sinner. His sin is what started death.
I want more information and I want bible study
Thank you for this! I have had many conversations about science and Christianity. I am not very smart but now I am a little smarter.
How great it is to have a resource to help in ministering to the sceptical. Thank you. Keep up the great work. Looking forward to upcoming studies.
There are too many pastors and theologians who take the simplicity of God's Word and try to make it profound when they should be taking the profoundness of God's Word and making it simple.
Thank you for a good read on this subject: the indisputable existence of humanoids and civilizations before Adam.
Very good
Nice to read a legitimate attempt to harmonize the traditions of the Bible with scientific discoveries.
Excellent points here.
Thank you for your good work.
I stumbled on your website recently, and was impressed by the scope of it and the balance evident in it.
I love this web site. I have always wanted to know more about what the Bible means. Please, please keep expanding this site.
It’s too bad that the Christian community cannot allow for mistranslation of both an ancient language and understanding of that language.
Humans were around a lot longer the 4000 bc. Thats not even as old as Sumer the first proven civilization. Evidence strongly supports that civilization may have existed long before Sumer.
Scientists lie to us. They lie about the age of the earth.
Just another Satanic attempt to change God's WORD. More likely made up of Liberal Kids that don't know any better.
This is great stuff!!
You are absolutely wrong
I can't wait to share this article with my grandson.
You have an interesting take on how to reconcile the time difference challenge between Bible time history & archeology . I don’t think it will matter about which time viewpoint ya right. What matters is faith & trust in Jesus for forgiveness of sin & gaining eternal life
Thank you for this most interesting discussion of genealogy re: the timing of the first man as relates to both the Bible as well as archaeology!!!
Are these lessons available in printed form that can be purchased or that can be downloaded on line in a condensed version?
O my how i wish i could find a friend would be willing to discuss the bible openly with me.
Unbelievable. Was man there at the beginning to make this determination. No. The human race is so arrogant and ignorant.
Since your website is new and still in the making, it leaves me excited yet hungry for more understanding. Thank you so much for putting your website together to help those of us asking questions about traditional lines of thinking. I look forward to reading more!
I was just told about your website and it's so fascinating.
One of the best study sites I have found!
Thank you for your studies. I find them fascinating. And I will read more of your articles.
Thank you I knew about these things but I did not understand
You should just go away. You are preaching heresy.
When are more topics coming?
I'm preparing to teach my first Religious Instruction lesson for the year in a public Australian school tomorrow and we'll launch straight in to the creation story from the Bible. So thank you!! I feel confident now to answer any questions the kids might raise.
I discovered this site while I was at work. I will take time out and read through it. I think it is very interesting and it's good to know so I hope and pray that I can and will be able to venture a little bit more. Thank you and continue to have a blessed and prosperous day.
Pure sophistry for the purpose of setting aside the claims of God upon us.
No scripture to back up your words.
Just happened upon this site and wow! This is fabulous. I will be back. Thank you for putting this together and sharing it with us all. God bless you and your family.
Rational Evangelicals. Exellent.
Great information, it is worth further studies. Kept up the good work, all of us need to read and study the bible more including me. We need to remember Christ is the Only Way to eternal life.
Right!
These explanations make real sense.
Of course there were people before Adam. Adam and Eve were created for a line through which Christ would come.
I will read this in its entirety. What I've read so far is right on according to my extensive studies over 27 years.
It's constructive that science keeps indefinitely improving with better observations and verifiable facts. Immutable good scriptures should simply keep itself relevant by subtle changes in its interpretation to complement and coexist with science. Good work!
Yes to have a intelligence conversation is of most importance.
this page can go to hell the bible is the truth idiots science is what a man created not GOD!
God created everything that was created in six literal days.
I am eagerly awaiting more topics.
Found this to be very helpful. Answered my questions.
Very enlightening and interesting, Thank you
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